Ouuuh que suis choquéééeeeee!!!

Comme il reluque !!!





C'est qui le bogosse derrière Hermione ?

PS: Non sérieux, il est vilain, ce garçon ...

va voir un peu sur ce site:


http://www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com/


ca remonte le moral et les théories se tiennent vraiment bien au point que je suis désormais convaincue à 2000 % que dumby est pas ...

Flûte, c'est en anglais, j'y comprend pas grand chose ...

***/me part à la recherche d'un dico, voir d'un traducteur ! ***

ATTENTION A NE PAS LIRE SI VOUS NE VOULEZ PAS CONNAITRE DES DETAILS DU LIVRE 6 !!!!


quotes from www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com
1. Dumbledore's Big Chill

Harry and Dumbledore are up on the top of the tower underneath the Dark Mark. Harry is wearing his invisibility cloak, Dumbledore ordered him to put it on before they mounted their brooms to ride to the top of the tower. Harry hears footsteps and looks around, but Dumbledore orders him with a gesture to retreat. Harry draws his wand and backs away:

The door burst open and somebody erupted through it and shouted, "Expelliarmus!" Harry's body became instantly rigid and immobile, and he felt himself fall back against the tower wall, propped like an unsteady statue, unable to move or speak.(HBP pg 584/545)

It's interesting to note that things are happening so fast, even Harry is momentarily confused:

He could not understand how it happened -- Expelliarmus was not a Freezing Charm -- Then, by the light of the Mark, he saw Dumbledore's wand flying in an arc over the edge of the ramparts and understood... Dumbledore had wordlessly immobilzed Harry, and the second he had taken to perform this spell had cost him the chance of defending himself. (HBP pg 584/545)

Why did Dumbledore freeze Harry? Harry was already invisible to their attackers and in no danger.

The only explanation could be that Dumbledore already knew, had already planned, that he would die this night (or appear to die), and not only did he not want Harry to become involved and possibly be injured himself, he needed Harry to be a witness, to be able to tell everyone else what happened.

Dumbledore might have also promised Snape that he would make sure that Harry would not be able to interfere, knowing how Harry feels about Snape and what Snape was about to have to do.

The supposition that it was Dumbledore's plan to do this all along is supported by the fact that he acted so quickly to do it, almost without thinking, when Draco burst in on the scene.

Harry's own assumption that the Freezing Charm was done by Dumbledore is supported by the fact the curse lifted when Dumbledore left the tower minutes later.



En gros, ici on nous dit que quand Harry et dumby reviennent en haut de la tour, dumby fige Harry et le temps de "penser" sa formule ne lui laisse pas le temps d'empecher le mangemort de le désarmer.

de plus, on se demande pkoi dumby fige Harry, vu qu'il es déjà ss sa cape et donc invisible..
la réponse que l'on nous apporte est que Dumby pensait mourir ce soir là, et ne volait pas qu'Harry intervienne et se fasse remarquer.il voulait qu'Harry soit juste un témoin.



4. The Flying Avada Kedavra [Updated 1/10/06]

As soon as I read the description of exactly what happened the moment that Snape killed Dumbledore, little red flags were popping up in my brain, but I didn't pay attention to them at first. This was actually the very first clue that alerted me to this whole thing.

Every other time we've seen the Avada Kedavra performed, the victim simply falls over dead:

He was screaming so loudly that he never heard the words the thing in the chair spoke as it raised a wand. There was a flash of green light, a rushing sound, and Frank Bryce crumbled. He was dead before he hit the floor. (GoF pg 15/19)

From high above his head, he heard a high, cold voice say, "Kill the spare." A swishing noise and a second voice, which screeched the words to the night: "Avada Kedavra!" A blast of green light blazed through Harry's eyelids, and he heard something heavy fall to ground beside him. Cedric was lying spread-eagled on the ground beside him. He was dead. (GoF pg 638/553)

However, in Half-Blood Prince, when Snape curses Dumbledore with the same spell, Dumbledore violently flies up and away from the tower:

Snape raised his wand and pointed it directly at Dumbledore. "Avada Kedavra!" A jet of green light shot from the end of Snape's wand and hit Dumbledore squarely in the chest. Harry's scream of horror never left him; silently he was forced to watch as Dumbledore was blasted into the air. For a split second, he seemed to hang suspended beneath the shining skull, and then he slowly fell backward, like a great rag doll, over the battlements and out of sight. (HBP pg 596/556)

Why would this application of the Avada Kedavra be so different from every other time we've seen it?

Perhaps his spell was different because even though those were the words Snape said, he didn't perform the killing curse at all. Remember all the importance this book gave to "nonverbal" spells? Perhaps Snape said Avada Kedavra, but the curse he was really thinking, the nonverbal one, was a different curse, one that only made it appear that Dumbledore was dead.

hum alors ici on nous parle de l'arrivée de rogue !
tot d'abors on nous explique que le sort d'avada kedavra ne projette personne en l'air, comme c'est arrivé à Dumby;
cela peut s'expliquer par le fait que Rogue aurait fait un sortilège informulé, et aurait prononcé l'avada kedavra, mais le sort informulé étant plus intense, il aurait attenué la formule d'avada kedavra, d'où une conséquence différente...
cela était déja arrivé dans la chambre des secrets, quand rogue et lockhart se battent en duel (rogue prononce expelliarmus, ce qui doit desarmer l'autre, mais cela le projette au contraire!)
on nous rappelle de plus l'importance des sorts informulés durant tout le bouquin.



Anyone Seen Dumbledore's Wand Lately?

At the very begining of the big scene between Draco, Dumbledore and Snape, one of the first things that happens is Dumbledore loses his wand:

The door burst open and somebody erupted through it and shouted, "Expelliarmus!" ... by the light of the Mark, he saw Dumbledore's wand flying in an arc over the edge of the ramparts ... (HBP pg 584/545)

But where is his wand now?

We know a wizard's wand is very important to him, and a wand that belonged to a wizard as powerful as Dumbledore would be a very important item to know the whereabouts of, something you wouldn't want falling into the wrong hands.

This clue might not mean as much if we didn't know the customs of wizards in such occasions, but we do! Five chapters ago, when Harry and Slughorn were consoling Hagrid over the death of Aragog, Hagrid and Sluggy sang a song about a wizard called Odo, and Sluggy sang the lines:

And Odo the hero, they bore him back home,
To the place that he'd known as a lad,
They laid him to rest with his hat inside out
And his wand snapped in two, which was sad. (HBP pg 488/456)

But as far as we know, they didn't snap Dumbledore's wand in two. After the scene at the top of the tower, Dumbledore's wand is simply never mentioned again

alors là on nous cause de la baguette de dumby, que personne ne retrouve apres sa chute;
la baguette d'un sorcier aussi important ne doit pas tomber dans n'importe quelles mains..
or elle n'est pas retrouvée, et personne ne le mentionne
pourtant on sait ce qui doit advenir en général, grâce à slughorn, lors de la cérémonie d'adieu à Aragog:
il chante une chanson où il dit que le sorcier qui meurt a sa baguette qui se fend en deux...
ici ce n'est pas le cas.. dumby serait alors encore vivant??



A PROPOS DE ROGUE NOW ^^

When Snape comes into the bathroom after being alerted by Moaning Myrtle, he knows instanly that the Sectumsempra curse was used to injure Draco, because he goes right to work on him using the proper countercurse to reverse the damage. He then takes Draco to the hospital wing, ordering Harry to wait for him there.

When Snape returns, he asks Harry where he learned the curse, and Harry says he saw it in a book in the library. Snape puts his Legilimency to work again:

"Liar," said Snape. Harry's throat went dry. He knew what Snape was going to do and he had never been able to prevent it... The bathroom seemed to shimmer before his eyes; he struggled to block out all thought, but try as he might, the Half-Blood Prince's copy of Advanced Potion Making swam hazily to the fore-front of his mind. (HBP pg 524/490)

Snape then demands Harry bring him his books, Harry makes a detour and hides the book in the room of requirement, bringing Snape Ron's copy of the book instead.

Snape must know Harry's trying to pull a fast one on him, he knows Harry has the book, he saw it in his mind. But instead of pressing the point, Snape just gives him a dozen detentions.

Why would Snape do this if he wasn't still working for Dumbledore? He lost his temper with Harry when he demanded Harry bring him the book, but then even though Harry lies to him about it, Snape remembers who's side he's on, and backs off.

là on nous raconte le moment où rogue demande à Harry d'aller chercher son exemplaire de livre de potions;
roge sait qu'harry ment, il n'a pas besoin d'occlumency pour ca, mis alors pko ne le punt -il pas plus ??
s'il ne travaillait pas pour dumby, il aurait pu rendre la vie bcp plus hardue à harry apres cet épisode.


you believe that Snape is acting on Dumbledore's orders to kill him (or possibly just make it look like he killed him, although he'd probably still be hurting him), then Snape's demeanor and Dumbledore's final words take on a whole new meaning.

...somebody else had spoken Snape's name, quite softly. "Severus..." The sound frightened Harry beyond anything he had experienced all evening. For the first time, Dumbledore was pleading. Snape said nothing, but walked forward and pushed Malfoy roughly out of the way. ... Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and there was revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face. "Severus... Please..." (HBP pg 595/556)

In that passage the reader is supposed to believe that Snape hates Dumbledore and feels revulsion for him.

But to help us understand the real meaning of Snape's feelings of revulsion and hatred, J.K. used almost the exact same words for what Harry was feeling just one chapter previous:

"You...you can't stop, Professor," said Harry. "You've got to keep drinking, remember? You told me you had to keep drinking. Here..." Hating himself, repulsed by what he was doing, Harry forced the goblet back toward Dumbledore's mouth ... (HBP pg 571/534)

Even though Snape was to kill Dumbledore on Dumbledore's orders, it must have been something that was still really emotional and difficult for Snape to do, exactly as it was for Harry to make Dumbledore drink the potion.

The feeling of revulsion on Snape's face was not for Dumbledore, but the act he knew he had to commit. The hatred was not for Dumbledore, but for what Dumbledore was making him do.

And when Dumbledore said, "Severus... Please..." he wasn't begging "please don't". What he was really saying was, "Severus, please kill me, as you promised you would."

ici on nous explique LA scene!
dumby ne supplierait pas rogue de l'épargner, mais de le tuer au contraire, comme il aurait promis ....
on est alors sensé croire que rogue hait dumby et éprouve de la révulsion à son égard;
mais avant, jk rowling nous a montré qqchose: harry avec une figure de dégoût, à l'idée de forcer dumbledore à boire la potion.L'idée ici c'est que rogue éprouve de la révulsion à l'idée de tuer dumby, même si c'est un ordre de ce dernier.

même plus loin, quand rogue s'echappe et que harry le traite de lâche, rogue est hors de lui, car si la théorie se confirme , il est loin d'être un lâche, pour avoir dû tuer dumby.


voilà j'ai fait de mon mieux pour tépargner le dico, et encore j'en ai loupé ^^
mais l'esseniel est là!!

BONNE LECTURE

Merci, Mela !

Effectivement, je n'ai pas encore eu le courage de regarder le site, mais je le ferai en profondeur très probablement.

En même temps, j'adhère totalement aux théories que tu viens de traduire. Mais je ne suis pas sûre de vouloir savoir ce qu'il va se passer ...
Depuis le tome 5 où j'ai appris la mort de Sirius avant même de commencer le bouquin, je n'ai plus eu envie d'en savoir les secrets ...

Rowling a l'habitude de faire croire en des choses en les rendant évidente, alors qu'au contraire, la vérité est toute autre ...

Je reste persuadée que Rogue n'est pas un méchant... Il m'apparait même comme un héros, au même titre/place que Harry.
Quand tout le monde met en doute son honneteté, Dumbledore assure la bonne foi de Rogue, il dit même qu'il sait des choses sur Rogue qu'il est seul à savoir et qui garantisse la fiabilité de Rogue.

Rowling érige Dumbly comme un homme supérieur aussi bien intellectuellement que moralement. Je ne crois pas qu'elle le fera se tromper, cette erreur fera de lui un prétentieux et un monsieur-je-sais-tout peu gratifiant.

Pour la mort de Dumbly, par contre, je ne sais pas, l'auteur n'a pas hésité à tuer Sirius, alors pourquoi pas Dumbledore - mentor d'harry -.
Sirius aussi pourrait ne pas etre mort, aprés tout, il n'y a pas de corps. Sirius a déjà eu suffisament de force/volonté pour s'échapper d'azkhaban, alors pourquoi pas d'un "théatre" ???
Bref, la mort de Dumbly peut être probable. C'est plutôt l'image de Rogue qui me semble tellement facile ... c'est trop gros !

Voilà comment je vois les choses:
Rogue a tué Dumbledore, non pas par haine, mais parce qu'il le fallait pour savuer Harry, Malefoy, sa famille, l'école etc etc et pour faire illusion auprés de Voldemort. Harry même apprenant la vérité au sujet de Rogue (comme quoi c'est pas un méchant, qu'il a toujours été de son coté, etc etc) ne pourra s'empêcher de le détester, parce qu'il a tué Dumbledore. Rogue alors se sacrifiera pour Harry, pour je ne sais pas quelle raison lol.

Bref, je vois Rogue mourir dans ce dernier tome, et ça me déprime ... Quant au fait que RAB soit le frère de Sirius ... heu j'en ai aucune idée, j'y verrai plus quelque chose de plus théatral, genre un personnage présent depuis le 1er tome, qui nous est familier, mais auquel on attache aucune importance ;)

Ah ouiii, génial !!!

Voilà celle que j'ai en signature sur un autre forum :

TA-DA !!!!


le titre du tome VII !!!!!


Harry Potter (comme c'est original) and the deathly hallows


vivement la suite ^^